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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics are on

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episode number 376 for a third of

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thank you and let's hear it for all

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those psychic predictions that came true

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in 2015 oh come on come on you being a

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bit too hard you're being a bit knowing

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it yes folks every year we like to

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review check up on check the homework of

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psychics who make predictions for the

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year ahead and so far as I have

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mentioned before on the skeptics on

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going back over 10 years of their

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published predictions here in Australia

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there are about ninety-five percent

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wrong you know somebody else might be

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able to interpret that ninety percent

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eighty-nine percent in that ballpark but

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let's not worry about predictions for

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2016 let's look at what's coming up this

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week on the skeptic zone we're going to

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kick off the year with Joe alabaster

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evidence please Joe is going to be

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reading an article from The Age

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newspaper about chiropractors with

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anti-vaccination books in there waiting

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rooms a bit of a worry after that it's

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the welcome return of a weakened science

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from the Royal Institution of Australia

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Australia have a very long and happy

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relationship at the moment yes going on

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a you good to have them back after that

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I read a report from the Australian

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skeptics website about a outfit in

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Queensland the state of Queensland who

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are well they seem to be ignoring the

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new law about no jab no play new

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Australia on the first of January then

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to round off the show more of maynard

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more of main hard at the australian

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skeptics national convention may now is

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going to be talking to some of the

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organisers there some of the guests Joe

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alabaster included and Heidi Robinson

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our very own reporters no I still can't

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believe I've got material from may not

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one event seriously I think there wasn't

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an hour in the day where he wasn't

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interviewing somebody looking forward to

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lots more main out in 2016 lots more

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Heidi and Jonah run and dr. Richie

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they're very busy people but they do

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spare time for the skeptic zone but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs and

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goggle some honey and salt or something

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I try and fix this on this voice of my

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name is just too much party over the new

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year period I don't know well I'm doing

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what we want is some more evidence

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hello this is joy alabaster

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this is from the age published December

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31st 2015 by Bianca Hall chiropractors

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promoting anti-vaccination views despite

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rules chiropractors waiting rooms across

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the country have become recruiting

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grounds for the anti-vaccination cause

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the chiropractic Board of Australia has

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vowed for years to take action against

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practitioners who advise their patients

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not to vaccinate their children but on

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Thursday it said it quote has no rule in

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material from waiting rooms but

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according to posts in the secret

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uncovered by peter Tierney who runs the

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pro vaccination blog reasonable Hank

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chiropractors around the country have

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the 2005 book well-adjusted babies to

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patients the book billed as a holistic

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guide to parenting is penned by

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health group in middle park and is also

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a member of the vaccine free australia

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group on facebook her book contains a

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chapter on vaccinations which links

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vaccines to illnesses including multiple

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sclerosis cancer leukemia mad cow

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floriani observes that asbestos the lid

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considered safe and asks quote are our

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children now the innocent guinea pigs

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and quote dozens of women have taken to

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Facebook group to praise the book with

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several saying they discovered the book

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others said their chiropractor either

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Tasmanian woman wrote quote saw this in

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their Association recently for having

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rooms and have been advised to remove it

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but this book is discreet love it end

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and I then bought it end quote Melbourne

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infuriate him quote I stress that it's

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manipulation of the spine you don't need

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vaccinations it is blatant rubbish it is

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patients to help them make informed

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health decisions end quote the board's

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viral and microbial diseases the

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spokeswoman said quote the board has no

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professional standards it sets end quote

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of false balance deservingly he was the

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who are not up to date on their

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vaccinations according to a report on

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ABC online seen K CEO Michael Tizard

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said the organization's 143 centers

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would not be excluding any children

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citing quote children's rights end quote

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tizzard told the ABC that quote it's not

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our intention to exclude children that

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are not vaccinated from early childhood

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education opportunities and quote

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the node jab no play legislation was

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passed by the Queensland Government with

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bipartisan support last October it gives

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child care organizations to right to

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refuse entry to non vaccinated children

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from their facilities however any such

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decision by an organization is optional

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not mandatory quote we're aware that

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probably the minority of families that

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are not vaccinating are conscientious

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objectors and quote isn't said quote we

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also believe a significant number of

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unvaccinated children are from families

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where there might be issues or from

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disadvantaged communities and we feel

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excluding the children from early

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childhood opportunities just further

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disadvantages them end quote see in case

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stated policy is to support quote

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inclusion for all children and this is

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one of the features that makes our C&K

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services so unique end quote tisn't told

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the ABC that the no jab no play campaign

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quote was important because it raised

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awareness in the community about

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unvaccinated children and the importance

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of vaccinations end quote quote seen K

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is a very Pro vaccination so we're fully

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supportive of children being vaccinated

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and with fully supportive of public

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education programs that educate parents

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about the importance of vaccinations

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m'carty said but isn't said open access

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had always been seen Kay's policy and it

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had strict infection control guidelines

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in its centers to prevent illness from

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spreading quote I know some parents may

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be concerned that there's unvaccinated

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children in the center but it's been our

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policy position when quote he told the

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ABC quote we discussed it with our

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educators and they're very child's

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rights focused and see the importance of

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a high-quality early education program

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for children for those parents who

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struggle to get around to it and need

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additional support we're also supportive

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of programs that will assist them to

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understand the importance of

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vaccinations and get them there and get

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their children vaccinated in

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in Queensland only ninety-one percent of

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under five year olds are fully immunized

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and that comes from the pages of the

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here's Maynard spooky action at a

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because while the hosts of the whole

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weekend here is Chris hi Chris how are

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you hello I'm very well thank you having

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a great time now once you're involved

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with the Brisbane skeptics usually I'm

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just a member of the Brisbane skeptics

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so I'm just one of those people holding

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up the bar and you've been getting into

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costume out there I saw you with the

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umbrella and I'm sorry the fetid duster

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yeah we've had a broom and a feather

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duster and our 1950s housewife it's all

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good fun tell me what are the Brisbane

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skeptics focus on that might be

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different from other skeptics groups in

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the country look I think we're pretty

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similar to a lot of skeptical groups in

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the country we're very very interested

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in any vaccinations lobbyists and that's

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been a primary focus in fact a couple of

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years ago we protested against merrill

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dory being asked to speak at the

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Woodford Folk Festival how'd that go

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that went fantastically well I actually

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ended up with a several camera crews at

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my front door and we got the minister

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involved and we actually stopped her

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from speaking solo and we got somebody

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who knew something about vaccines on

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stage with her able to talk against us

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so that was a really fantastic

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achievement from the Brisbane skeptics

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you've got a huge weekend for the

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Brisbane skeptics hosting it this year

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what are you looking forward to is the

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big well on stage this weekend oh

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there's so many fantastic people on

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stage I guess personally I'm a big fan

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of Joe Nickell I just think he's the

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most interesting person

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with a huge life but Eugenie Scott of

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course involved in the in kitzmiller

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versus Dover case that's going to be a

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biggie as well yeah and is it fun

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getting up in front of stage and mucking

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around a bit you know oh no I hate it

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absolutely hate being in the spotlight

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no it's great and my host Jake fire

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warden is fantastic and did a wonderful

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speech this morning he's part of a cold

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but he's his eyes under an injury cloud

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but he's going well he is he's he's

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injured but he's up and he's playing and

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he did a wonderful talk on skepticism

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and diet and now what fad diet have you

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been sucked into over the years I look

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I've been on every fad diet the one I

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remember most was the Beverly Hills diet

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where I ain't nothing but grapes for a

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week but I've actually lost 65 kilos in

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the last two years you mentioned that

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and is that just through steady gradual

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descent to bleeding yeah I lost it

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skeptically so what I found was if you

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eat less if you eat more than you burn

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you lose weight it's really simple math

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and then you burn more than you eat yeah

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you burn more than you I that's right

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okay yeah and basically so basically you

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either eat less or you but it's probably

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what goes in that's a hard medicine

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because burning at office is do you've

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got to get out there and do the exercise

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if you don't eat in the first place yeah

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well you've got it it takes persistence

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but there is no magic diet that is going

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to help it might help short term but

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really just take notice of what your

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doctors tell you they're the people who

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know what they're talking about and when

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it comes to woo is there one word that

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you wish was actually real Oh

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listen I guess you know and I guess I'm

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going to be serious here front now will

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be serious everybody take a deep breath

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at home serious I I used to be a

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spiritualist I was brought up as a

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spiritualist no no what does that

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actually mean sorry a spiritualist is

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somebody who believes not necessarily in

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God but there is another world that runs

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parallel to ours on which people go when

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they die so there is another plane okay

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and one of the comforting things about

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being a spiritualist is I always

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believed that I would see my father

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again what and when I realized that I

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was an atheist and that I was going to

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have to let go of all this stuff that

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was the last thing that I really had to

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let go off and that was hard but look I

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can understand that because that is

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would look like the end of a

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relationship or death there's that

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severing that you can never go back to

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that place and that is what that's part

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of the pain so I do have a lot of

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sympathy for people who hold these

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beliefs and I've always said to people

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look at the journey you can't just drop

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those beliefs in one go just work

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towards it look at the evidence and

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gradually they just they just fall away

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but people have to do this stuff at

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their own pace and if you try and force

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people you just you won't win friends

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and you won't change anyone's mind

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that's right I think that's what we're

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learning here today at the Australian

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skeptics National Convention so you get

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up there have a hoot on stage I will

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thank you though he were here at the

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skeptic zone table and a moo have

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someone who's just boldly walked up and

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bought a book from me there to get and

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you've got my book that contains such in

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and contentious words as Duran Duran and

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Bay City Rollers yes indeed main our

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guide to being a dag well I have four

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children and each one of them have

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suggested that I'm already well on the

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way I'm surprised that young children

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will use that language the Americanism

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of cool and uncool or something like

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that maybe will replace Dagon our in our

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lexicon well that they were very well

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educated children and they don't use the

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sort of language that other children

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might use data to hear describe their

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father you still will have to explain

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Duran Duran to them

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well Duran Duran was an English babe and

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mainly famous for hungry like a wolf of

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course and as we discussed before did

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this very famous video down in South

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America these boys from very much London

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had no idea what was going on this first

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time they'd been out of the city I think

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well I'm a Rio guy myself I think that's

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a great clip Simon Lebon on the yacht I

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haven't seen your underwear yet but I'm

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prepared to take your word for it man oh

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and what do you make it this skeptical

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convention you you've been in charge of

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running the one in Melbourne a couple of

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years back there's been a minute how do

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think it's going so far well of course

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being a previous convener I'm breathing

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a sigh of relief and glad that someone

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else has all the responsibilities but I

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really love these events and I was just

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talking to a few people before we noted

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that the the average age we think is

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maybe a little bit lower this year it

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just looks I think so i think the

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Brisbane skeptics are slightly younger

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generally and they're out there happier

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sort of very Brisbane so they haven't

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they get more Sun they've been healthy

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they stay outside a bit more

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particularly Melbourne not you're inside

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because the breezes are blowing up you

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know it was 34 degrees the other day

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I'll have you know maybe it was 16

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degrees two hours before that well well

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well it was there was a bit of a cool

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change as I was leaving but I must say

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you know you hear all of these nasty

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thing about queenslanders and sort of

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religious right and all the rest of it

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but we haven't seen any of them is no no

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protests at all oddly enough no we've

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never seen no one but no theists here

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today I can see it all but it is still a

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day and three quarters left so you don't

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really know but you know the speakers

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this morning I particularly liked Peter

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Elton and talking about thinking and

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logic and so on he was terrific and of

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course Susan der Beck was was great too

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when she was down in Melbourne I think

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she's done the eastern coast of

549
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Australia recently we serve skepticism

550
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main our diet where skeptics not cynics

551
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well Joe we're here at the skeptics

552
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table the skeptic zone table and I've

553
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got the children's table on the end for

554
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the main hard stuff

555
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I'm sorry there's no room here at the

556
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grown-ups table may not I know just like

557
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some all gone energy there you've got an

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orgone energy pyramid now what does that

559
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made of it is made of fifty percent

560
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resin which is organic and fifty percent

561
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metal shavings which is inorganic so

562
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what is the action of it that is an

563
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incredibly good question okay so but

564
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it's a bit overwhelmingly a positive

565
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thing yes they meant to help increase

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positive energy block negative energy

567
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particularly well apparently they can

568
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work for Wi-Fi signals they can't work

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for things not falling over on the table

570
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here you've got a you've got a a moose

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rabbit not to miss rabbit it's a

572
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Jackalope Oh Jackalope I'm sorry there

573
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you just print it I'm well printed for

574
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me and that my daughter's painted it for

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me so that's very cool that's gone

576
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that's right now we're wanting people to

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ask us questions here at the bird anyone

578
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ask any questions yet no questions yes

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I've got a question why they no

580
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someone is all dressed up at the dinner

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where now the dinner for the Australian

582
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skeptics conference in Brisbane Heidi

583
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what do you make it this is more your

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your your climate here the humidity here

585
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this is amazing Maynard I decided to get

586
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all frocked Upton why did you look great

587
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it's a 50s inspired outfit and

588
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off-the-shoulder was at a halter neck

589
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what do you call that I'm not sure ok

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what's very nice go with Holton eggless

591
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and and Kylie you went up and accepted

592
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an award for some people who couldn't be

593
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here tonight a very moving award and won

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it could you explain it to the listeners

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please yeah the Fred solid award this

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year at the Australian skeptics

597
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:13,409
convention went to Catherine greg hughes

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who tragically lost their baby in march

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00:27:22,430 --> 00:27:18,899
this year to pertussis or whooping cough

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he was exactly 32 days old when he lost

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his life which was the same age as Dana

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McCaffrey she was also 32 days old when

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she lost her life in 2009 right after

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they lost their baby Riley Catherine

605
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Greg Hughes went public with it and with

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the intention of trying to raise

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awareness Oh

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the whooping cough vaccine which is now

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available for women to have in the third

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trimester but which cath was never

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offered during her pregnancy

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so they they have absolutely worked

613
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tirelessly in what has to be the worst

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time of their lives having lost the

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precious baby

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they they've just done magnificent

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things to raise awareness of how the

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whooping cough vaccine is not only

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available but free for women in their

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third trimester and and and they have

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really

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successful at that so I mean where the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

624
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couldn't think of anyone more deserving

625
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to have this award than Kathleen greg

626
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hughes they go long to baby fairs and

627
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speak to mothers that are expecting that

628
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they yeah exactly in fact this weekend

629
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they couldn't be here because they are

630
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Manning a stall at the Melbourne baby

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and pregnancy Expo you know too it's

632
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called the light for Riley saw so if you

633
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if you have a look on facebook for light

634
00:29:01,180 --> 00:28:58,970
light for Riley they've got a massive

635
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:01,190
following on facebook you said they

636
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:02,690
often get into arguments with people of

637
00:29:09,270 --> 00:29:04,250
these things some stand-up arguments

638
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:09,280
that happen well there are certainly

639
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:11,510
they're in the minority but there are

640
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:14,300
certainly anti-vaccination people that

641
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:17,570
do turn up to these events

642
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:20,090
but Catherine Greig have always

643
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:24,050
conducted themselves you know they're

644
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:26,570
just lovely people and they don't engage

645
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:29,810
in debate as we all know as skeptics

646
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,250
it's there is no debate when it comes to

647
00:29:39,130 --> 00:29:36,880
things like climate change and

648
00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:39,140
vaccinations so there's no point

649
00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:42,470
engaging in a debate what we're all

650
00:29:46,030 --> 00:29:44,360
trying to do and what cousin Greg do as

651
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:46,040
well is just try to put the right

652
00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:49,310
information out there ifs if someone

653
00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:51,470
wants to debate them we just walk away

654
00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:55,040
from it every death is tragic but what

655
00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:56,990
is tragic about this and people might

656
00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:58,520
say well these numbers aren't very large

657
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:00,230
but they're preventable and that's what

658
00:30:05,950 --> 00:30:02,870
we've got to remember that's exactly

659
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:05,960
right it's a preventable disease and

660
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,390
look we all know that the whooping cough

661
00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:10,880
vaccine is not as effective as we would

662
00:30:15,790 --> 00:30:13,700
like it to be there used to be what was

663
00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:15,800
called the whole-cell vaccine which was

664
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:17,660
much more effective than the vaccine

665
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:20,570
that we have today the acellular vaccine

666
00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:22,820
for whooping cough but the problem with

667
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:24,800
the whole-cell vaccine was that there

668
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were

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associated with giving it more redness

670
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:33,050
and swelling at the injection site and

671
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:35,000
so on so they switch to the a cellular

672
00:30:40,690 --> 00:30:38,450
one and the payoff for the the reduced

673
00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:40,700
side effects was that it's also there's

674
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:42,500
also a reduction in the efficacy of the

675
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:45,980
vaccination itself but it is still an

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00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:48,110
effective vaccine and it's still

677
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:49,910
important for us all to get vaccinated

678
00:30:53,410 --> 00:30:52,220
even as adults yes because I'm just

679
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:53,420
finding someone like me that doesn't

680
00:30:57,630 --> 00:30:54,980
regularly come in contact with kids

681
00:31:01,510 --> 00:30:57,640
would it be of any need at all for me

682
00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:01,520
well at the moment the recommendation is

683
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:05,000
for adults to get boosters every 10

684
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:08,210
years if they are in close contact with

685
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:12,710
small babies and children I mean in

686
00:31:16,210 --> 00:31:14,300
places like the Northern rivet kind of

687
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:16,220
hard to call that because I can't think

688
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:18,200
of any time in the next year I've been

689
00:31:21,070 --> 00:31:19,790
contacted a small baby but you never

690
00:31:22,269 --> 00:31:21,080
know when someone's going to happen and

691
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:22,279
drop over

692
00:31:27,009 --> 00:31:24,830
yeah exactly and look I went recently

693
00:31:28,989 --> 00:31:27,019
and as you know i live near melon been

694
00:31:30,909 --> 00:31:28,999
bit with the lowest rates of vaccination

695
00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:30,919
in australia i went to my doctor

696
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,469
recently before a whooping cough booster

697
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:35,840
and they said why do you want that do

698
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:37,609
work with babies and children i said

699
00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:41,570
well no i don't but I'm trying to I'm

700
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:43,580
trying to do this for the community to

701
00:31:48,219 --> 00:31:46,070
try and contribute to herd immunity

702
00:31:51,609 --> 00:31:48,229
which we just don't have in the northern

703
00:31:53,459 --> 00:31:51,619
ribbons so yeah it's worth having a chat

704
00:31:56,499 --> 00:31:53,469
to your doctor anyway about it and

705
00:31:58,869 --> 00:31:56,509
discussing your concerns and why you why

706
00:32:02,289 --> 00:31:58,879
you want to do it and contribute to that

707
00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:02,299
herd immunity and yeah that's that's all

708
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,940
I can say talk to your doctor and thank

709
00:32:08,169 --> 00:32:06,320
you for accepting the war on on their

710
00:32:09,729 --> 00:32:08,179
behalf and that's great and is there any

711
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:09,739
is there a cash prize for them or

712
00:32:14,589 --> 00:32:12,409
anything like that as well at all yes

713
00:32:17,889 --> 00:32:14,599
that award does come with a cash prize

714
00:32:21,219 --> 00:32:17,899
and for great Greg and cat all the money

715
00:32:22,629 --> 00:32:21,229
that they raised through light for Riley

716
00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:22,639
and that will include these fries as

717
00:32:27,729 --> 00:32:25,820
well goes to the Princess Margaret

718
00:32:31,329 --> 00:32:27,739
foundation that's the hospital in Perth

719
00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:31,339
where baby Riley died and they are doing

720
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,549
research currently at that hospital into

721
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:37,120
a better

722
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:40,030
better vaccine and looking into the

723
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:41,950
scheduling of the vaccine so it's going

724
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,590
to a good cause right you have a good

725
00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:46,240
day good night thank you for checking

726
00:33:06,730 --> 00:32:48,430
the water may be hard it's absolutely my

727
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:09,230
today this is dr. Karl Karl Chris let's

728
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,590
keep proud to be a skeptic and you can

729
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:12,720
find out more about me at dr. Kyle calm

730
00:33:36,370 --> 00:33:34,840
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:36,380
zone and those people in Sydney why

732
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:38,570
don't you come along to skeptics in the

733
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:40,910
pub skeptics in the pub the crown hotel

734
00:33:47,169 --> 00:33:43,420
near museum station downtown Sydney

735
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,179
kicking off at six o'clock six pm if you

736
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:48,559
drive a bit earlier that's all right

737
00:33:54,730 --> 00:33:52,100
it's always the first thursday of the

738
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,740
month come rain or hail or shine what's

739
00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:56,720
inside a pub so it really doesn't matter

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00:34:02,350 --> 00:33:59,510
no schedule speaker this week we might

741
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:02,360
persuade main hard to say something it's

742
00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:05,990
more of a relaxing opportunity to have a

743
00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:08,270
chat with skeptics have a drink / dinner

744
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:11,780
and learn how to bend a spoon and also

745
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:14,540
for those people in Sydney come along to

746
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:18,020
the forest lodge hotel which is in their

747
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,510
glebe not hard to find on the

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00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,119
seventeenth of January from seven

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00:34:28,419 --> 00:34:25,760
o'clock for a Maynard event Maynard

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presents star struck a classic

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Australian musical film as my dad says

752
00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:34,419
it's cheesy it's camp mm-hmm anyway

753
00:34:39,490 --> 00:34:36,859
tickets at the door at the virus lodge

754
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:39,500
only nine dollars promises to be a fun

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00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,080
Maynard evening find out more just go to

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00:34:47,649 --> 00:34:44,960
facebook and check out Maynard's movie

757
00:34:50,379 --> 00:34:47,659
night on next week's show I'll see if I

758
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:50,389
can interview Fred the cat and sleeping

759
00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:52,129
somewhere around here he's going to be

760
00:34:58,420 --> 00:34:56,060
16 this year woof but for this week with

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00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:58,430
my voice almost gone this is Richard

762
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:00,740
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:06,890
Australia you've been listening to the

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